so Jiddu K is a kind of boomer

[neo]

In a recent interview, KW has claimed that Jiddu is good at "states " but his overall approach is vmeme green, or the anti-hierachical and antiauthoritarian Jiddu so to speak

Well, having in mind that the green vmeme has only 40 yeas of existence, and Krishnamurti has started his "critical career" during the 30ies, thus being far advanced at value level than every single idiot walking on the planet in those days, it is kinda paradoxical this KW hyperbolic claim.

The old wise man has been passed by a new generation of integral boys or 2nd tier, like Andrew Cohen or the morons farting at the frank wisser forum for example.

[Arik]

Rarely can analytical-deductionary-reasoning ever present food for the hunger of Soul about the Awakened.

Sometimes in an attempt to make thing clear, no cogent conection is made possible to the design art of Spiritual Endeavor. So called linear-sequential integration attempts with facts to explain truth.

One can never exhaust all of the potentials of this simple phrase, but one should try as the journey presents multiplicative possibilities of the Awakened State......

Are you ready?

Here it is........

Just Be
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Your choice's are your experience.

[Jana]

I suppose KW would lump Osho into the antihierarchical/antiauthoritarian camp...
I think both Jiddu and Osho were more into the empowerment of the individual than anything "anti." Just cause Jiddu didn't want an institutionalization of his teaching and to be turned into a Guru doesn't make him Green like Ken says. Osho didn't shy away from institutionalizing his program nor from playing King...but Jiddu was more of a staunch pundit than his jokester brother.
Perhaps there is a need to institutionalize spirituality, and perhaps there is a need for exactly the opposite...I think we need both. Structures grow and are broken down...each phase is an important as the other. Afterall you cannot have a revolution without an exploitive reigm.
Turns out Jiddu did build a quiet little institute which is still in effect and has a childrens school aligned with it.

Hey wow Arik my mate, longtime waiting for your presence.
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Enlightenment is a reflection of the unlimited abundance and potential of creation, not a greedy abstinence from the Good, the True, the Beautiful and the Pleasurable.

[Arik]

Hiya Baby,

Yeah, I'm back, but likely to move with Garwin to Michigan. Lots-O-Fresh Water and I'm a boating fanatic.

You should come.

The Three of Us!

Hah, the world ain't ready!


All my Lust.

Arik
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Your choice's are your experience.

[Jana]

Ah wunderkin,
Are you going to find enough intellectual stimulation out there in the boonies?
Now my book is finished I need a new reason for living, I'll be looking around. Hit me with some ideas if you have any.
Big Kissy
J
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[Coyote]

I am a simulacrum. A homonculus. An unreal reality.

-Oed

[Arik]

I am the Lightening Rod of a series of Stimulations.

Only in the worlds where Divine agency IS the Absolute,....I live in a world of Dichotomies where balanced discharges with harmonic exchange is not the only way to effect and affect change that is in constant flux.

Higher, lower, greater, lesser, exist here not as an absolute but as a process.

I am that process, I am that result, and I am that, that didn't need either ultimately.

I am Love.

But in this world I can be hate too, with the same relish.

Michigan will become ground zero.

I read your book, and found it most cohesively cogent. A rare feat for those engaged in your level of study. To become that attuned and not lose sight of the evolving process.......incredible and well written.

All my Lust

Arik
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Your choice's are your experience.

[Jana]

Yea with depths such as the R'Bros it probably takes a whole wilderness to hold you.
"I read your book, and found it most cohesively cogent. A rare feat for those engaged in your level of study. To become that attuned and not lose sight of the evolving process.......incredible and well written.'

There was no way I "could" lose sight, IT was driving, seeking processing ME. IT showed me everything. I am just glad people can use it immediately, because the scientific/medical world is decades away from even acknowledging that alchemical-process even exists.
There is a doctor in London 2.5 years into his awakening, who cannot let on to his collegues what is happening to him. He thought he might have to "come out of the closet and thus lose his academic reputation...I told him just to look for people who are already cognizant of metamorphosis, and I gave him a list of contacts to work with.

I have a problem at the moment with digesting the current state of ignorance the majority of people live under...I would be able to reconcile this if i had some peers in the flesh to converse with. MOst people I talk to in Boulder are WAY mythic or traditionally indocrinated. I crave original thinkers.

Now tho, I have to drop the subject and move on, for the work is done and dessiminated. The main problem I have to deal with is probably just an egoic interpretation, but once one has revealed the secret of life, what more is there to do, all avenues of activity and thought seem inferior to what I have been engaged in. And I do need something tangible to work with, perferably something that takes me out into the world.
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Enlightenment is a reflection of the unlimited abundance and potential of creation, not a greedy abstinence from the Good, the True, the Beautiful and the Pleasurable.

[Susan]

Hi...

I only have had time to read part of your... Treat-us. You put a lot of words into Pixel Pick-sells



Too bad Boulder is so full of Ken-so-seekers.



Just how are YOU see-king?



Ten years ago I began one of these awakenings/processes/whatevers....

I AM still
learning!

The only thing I will NOT do is sell. Spirit is NOT for sale. It is... In My own opinion... the birth RIGHT of everyone.. every thing.... Give IT a way... Share.. encourage... evoke. Nice about the doc. Good to have some sort of useful education before an awakening.

...and that is
that....


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Chogyam Trungpa

[Jana]

NO Susan Boulder would be better off if everyone was integrally informed, but a vast majority haven't progressed in their thought since the Eastern indocrination period of the 60s/70s, and that type of thinking is over 6 thousand years archaic and obsolete.

It is a strange mixture of adrenalization and lassitude here, huge % of people into astrology and the medieval arts as thou Carl Sagan never made a dint in the way people think...as if Jung never existed, and even as if Ken Wilber never showed his bald head. Ignorance is more tenacious than knowledge it seems.
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Enlightenment is a reflection of the unlimited abundance and potential of creation, not a greedy abstinence from the Good, the True, the Beautiful and the Pleasurable.

[Susan]

I've only been to Boulder once. I went into the Boulder Bookstore (as a browser) and then had lunch up top. I sat in the middle table in the window over the street....

Dreamy....

But... here in New Hampshire land (Dan Brown country). I gotta do what I gotta dew with what I gotta...doo....

All the same ONE....

Me thinks

Granite Table Tops.....

Kitchen counter Wisdom





Do you think all those Boulder rites are circling around looking for a saviour, savoring the vibes in the process. Hopefuly spearing the Golden Ring from the "Care-oh-sell" of Spirit. I don't think the Transpersonal Bands can be bought... or sold. ....

Mark David Fishy Man.... get thee (understanding) to a NONE a lead.......


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"It's all Ati. Now, let's be practical."
Chogyam Trungpa

[Jana]

Forget spirituality, how about we deal with the fact that so many of us are getting cancer.
Hell I need to drink 4 oz of wheatgrass a day just to deal with the emotional consequences of the people going through their cancer routines.
I am not good with cancer.
Now a guy in hospital undergoing kundalini when there is a tumor near his spine, thinks his kundalini is going to help him, and I have to tell him this and that and reassure him and stuff. The hospital won't even allow an accupuncturist in to see him, so perhaps I will advise an accupressurist.
I am about ten lifetimes off being an actual healer, but I have to metabolize, I have to face up. We are in the warzone now, we have to go on.
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[Jana]

I may be dredging the bottom of the barrel as far as life interest goes, but what did you mean by "A rare feat for those engaged in your level of study."?
Do you mean it is remarkable that the monkey was able to string two sentences together?
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[schmozlo]

Forgive me for answering a question that wasn't addressed to me, but I think Arik was complementing you on the clarity of your thought on such a difficult subject. I could be wrong, however.

[Susan]

...for give me two......

I wanted to find a nice place to thank Ms. Jana for posting all the links. From Metanexus I found three articles that are Heart Evocative to scientists ....ah-like....

http://www.metanexus.net/metanexus_online/printer_friendly.asp?ID=9359

http://www.metanexus.net/metanexus_online/printer_friendly.asp?ID=9406

http://www.metanexus.net/metanexus_online/printer_friendly.asp?ID=9358

Writing like this opens heart rather than fills head.

Metanexus gently rocks...

Peace....

http://www.metanexus.net/metanexus_online/index.asp
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"It's all Ati. Now, let's be practical."
Chogyam Trungpa