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PostPost subject: Re: Hi Jim more on evolution?    Posted: 07/04/06, 3:40 pm Reply with quote

"Up to today, nobody in hard sciences can show up the mechanism (if we have to use such boring a term) explaining the passage (processes) from non-living to living organisms. There are only metaphysical speculations."

Sorry, this is bs. There are plenty of purely scientific speculations about how non-living dirt became self-organizing organisms. No proof, but lots of straight scientific support for the idea. The fact that scientists don't yet have proof doesn't make such speculation metaphysical. Before we discovered how to fly, there was lots of speculation about how, mechanically, it could be done, and many said it wasn't possible. There was also lots of metaphysical speculaiton about how to fly, and none of it bore out. The scientists and mechics figured it out, and have been improving it. We haven't yet flown to other planets either, but speculation about that isn't metaphysical, it's scientific, unless of course you want to use Integral Theory to fly to the next galaxy.

THere's a lot of great research in the field of life-origins, none of it anywhere near conclusive, but scientifically interesting nonetheless. There's some biologist out there who is trying to create life from purely non-living materials right now. He's trying to use raw inorganic chemicals and reverse engineer a very primitive cell, and see if he can make it come alive. Dr. Frankenstein, that would be.

Now you are right that when scientists begin using their scientific findings to draw larger conclusions about the universe, they are telling metaphysical stories. This is boundary crossing. They are enititled to do so, but we can also tell them they are full of shit when they do it, that science isn't sufficient grounds upon which to make metaphysical conclusions. Still, they have a point that metaphysics should at least be consistent with science in some respects. So religions that are based on mythological origins of the earth and physical life need to re-examine their metaphysics and keep it consistent with science. Most western religions have a hard time with that. Many eastern religions wouldn't.
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Hi Jim more on evolution? ~ neo  07/04/06, 9:52 am      
      Re: Hi Jim more on evolution? ~ Jim  07/06/06, 6:54 pm      
      Re: Hi Jim more on evolution? ~ Bright_Abyss  07/05/06, 4:48 pm      
           Re: Hi Jim more on evolution? ~ Jim  07/06/06, 7:18 pm      
                JIM ~ Bright_Abyss  07/06/06, 8:28 pm      
                     i could take wilber in a fight ~ kela  07/09/06, 12:43 am      
                          Re: i could take wilber in a fight ~ Bright_Abyss  07/09/06, 2:06 pm      
                               Re: i could take wilber in a fight ~ MarkDavid  07/09/06, 11:28 pm      
                                    Re: i could take wilber in a fight ~ Bright_Abyss  07/10/06, 2:40 am      
                                         there's only 1 bro to honor the name Shamrock , men: ~ EarToEar  07/10/06, 10:22 am      
                                         grinning here cauliflower to cauliflower--Kharitonov ~ EarToEar  07/10/06, 5:05 am      
                               Re: i could take wilber in a fight ~ MarkDavid  07/09/06, 11:23 pm      
                               Re: i could take wilber in a fight ~ Charles  07/09/06, 11:06 pm      
           what do you mean mickey? ~ neo  07/06/06, 9:51 am      
      Re: Hi Jim more on evolution? ~ Broken Yogi  07/04/06, 3:40 pm      
           word games ~ neo  07/05/06, 6:17 am      
                Re: word games ~ Broken Yogi  07/05/06, 8:51 pm      
                     Re: yup ~ Charles  07/05/06, 11:32 pm      
                          "reductionism" ~ Jim  07/06/06, 2:00 am      
                               Re: "reductionism" ~ jimsun  07/06/06, 9:16 am      
                                    reconciling two visions ~ Jim  07/08/06, 12:47 am      
                                    Re: "reductionism" ~ Broken Yogi  07/06/06, 11:28 pm      
           word games ~ neo  07/05/06, 6:16 am      
           Beware of glass tables..... ~ Susan  07/04/06, 9:11 pm      
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